31 October 2006

Dumb criminals

From Reuters:

BERLIN (Reuters) - A careless burglar in Germany left behind a vital clue at a break-in when he sliced off the end of a finger and left it behind, police said on Monday.

"We usually find fingerprints at the crime scene, but it's not every day that thieves leave the original there too," said a spokesman for police in the central town of Hildesheim.

Police wasted no time in matching the piece of finger with existing prints they had from a 15-year-old of Iraqi origin.

The youth initially denied breaking and entering into an office to steal a computer but confessed when police produced the digital remnant, which had been severed on a broken window.

"I don't know if the fellow asked for it (the fingertip) back afterwards," the police spokesman said.

Halloween and pie

Tonight I get to take two of my nieces trick-or-treating. About a week ago the oldest, Tori, called me and asked me what my costume would be. She really wanted me to dress up so I asked her what I should be. After a moment's pause, she said "A witch!" She then went on to say that they had a witch's dress and hat in their toy box.

My brother, their Dad, really likes pecan pie. So I baked this last night. It's not as puffy as it was when it came out of the oven. But I love how the pecans line up and get shiny on the top.

30 October 2006

Lovely Lied (song)

This song is actually quite sad, but I really like it. The music is so crooner like. It's really romantic and swoony. It's called "Ich atme ein," which means I inhale, and is sung by Roger Cicero. I haven't watched the whole video, I just listen to the song. It's not on iTunes. Grumble, grumble. Bonus for German speakers or wanna-bes like me -- he enunciates very well.

Annoying Monday

This morning I really wanted coffee so I made some in my lovely presspot. The coffee at work tastes really bitter. You need about 1/2 milk to make it drinkable.

Traffic was horrid I wasn't paying to close attention to my coffee cup. It tipped over and spilled all over the passenger seat before I noticed. A nice coffee puddle. This was especially nice since I am carpooling today. Sally had to sit in the backseat. All the way to work the lovely coffee smell taunted me as it soaked into the seat.

29 October 2006

Cool quote

Today I heard that Red Auerbach died. He was the president of the Boston Celtics basketball team. Earlier he was the coach. Normally I wouldn't record that here. I'm not a basketball fan. However, one of the people interviewed about him noted this quote that Auerbach used in reference to coaching:
It's not what you say, it's what they hear.
I just love that. True on many levels.

Car washing

When Sophie and I were out on a walk today, I saw a man washing his car in his driveway. This is not that unusual. However, he was rinsing off the car using a garden watering can. It looked very funny and I'm sure it took a very long time to rinse the car.

German makeover

I thought this story about the German national soccer team was quite interesting. Even though the World Cup is over, the team is still making news. I'm going to begin lobbying Netflix as soon as the film comes out on DVD.

German Players Coached in Tactics for Formal Occasions

Clean-cut Germany coach Joachim Löw decided it's not enough for his players to look good when they're on the pitch and decided to turn the team into an orderly troupe of well-groomed personalities off the field as well.

Bastian Schweinsteiger looked the perfect gentleman as he stood in a smart suit and fashionable scarf next to Chancellor Angela Merkel on the film premiere's red carpet.

The young Bayern Munich midfielder, like his teammates in the German national team squad, is cutting sophisticated and stylish figures off the pitch these days.

What happens off the field was the subject of a much-hyped documentary "Deutschland. Ein Sommermärchen" (Germany: A Summer's Tale). Released in early October, the documentary focuses on the players' personal lives by concentrating on scenes in the team's hotel and on the bus as well as their reaction to the massive enthusiasm that engulfed Germany during the World Cup.

27 October 2006

More deep frying. Yum!

I find this story fascinating and horrifying.

Because we don't already have enough fried foods...

NEW YORK, Oct 26 (Reuters Life!) - A new fast food is making its debut at U.S. fairs this fall -- fried Coke.

Abel Gonzales, 36, a computer analyst from Dallas, tried about 15 different varieties before coming up with his perfect recipe -- a batter mix made with Coca-Cola syrup, a drizzle of strawberry syrup, and some strawberries.

Balls of the batter are then deep-fried, ending up like ping-pong ball sized doughnuts which are then served in a cup, topped with Coca-Cola syrup, whipped cream, cinnamon sugar and a cherry on the top.

"It tastes great," said Sue Gooding, a spokeswoman for the State Fair of Texas where Gonzales' fried Coke made its debut this fall. "It was a huge success."

Gonzales ran two stands at the State Fair of Texas and sold up to 35,000 fried Cokes over 24 days for $4.50 each -- and won a prize for coming up with "most creative" new fair food.

26 October 2006

Kids and dogs

My cousin Joni sent me an e-mail about this offering at the Great River Library in St. Cloud.
Thursday, Oct. 26 , 6:30-8:00 pm
Desiree and Tiffany are certified Reading Education Assistance Dogs and love to sit and listen to books. Registration for 15 minute sessions begins October 18. Ages 5 and up.
That is the sweetest thing ever! Here's a bit more about the Reading Education Assistance Dogs.
The mission of the R.E.A.D. program is to improve the literacy skills of children through the assistance of registered Pet Partner® therapy teams as literacy mentors.

The Reading Education Assistance Dogs® (R.E.A.D.) program improves children’s reading and communication skills by employing a powerful method: reading to a dog. But not just any dog. R.E.A.D. dogs are registered therapy animals who volunteer with their owner/handlers as a team, going to schools, libraries and many other settings as reading companions for children.

And a short testimonial from the R.E.A.D. site:
Catherine and her Boston Terrier, Chato, who participate in the R.E.A.D.® program at the Midvale Boys' and Girls' Club, understand just how convinced most children are that the dogs they read to listen and absorb what they are hearing. One second grader informed them, "I really scared that big black dog the other day!" When asked how, he replied, "I read him a ghost story!"

25 October 2006

Halloween pup

This time of year there a million dogs-in-costumes photos floating around e-mail. This is my favorite.

23 October 2006

Germans making fun of Bush

This video is priceless. Thanks to Julia who posted on her blog! It's nice to get another country's take on this very scary, crazy man. Very clever!

Richard Dawkins, "The God Delusion"

There was an interview with Richard Dawkins tonight on The World. He's the author of The God Delusion. I was looking forward to listening to the interview since his views are so different than mine. Maybe I'd learn something from him.

I was quite disappointed. He was very testy and very disrespectuful of religion. Isn't it possible to show respect even if you don't agree? I think it is. It made me think of the book I'm listening to: The Likeabilty Factor by Tim Sanders. Part of his argument for likeability includes the fact that if people like you, they're more likely to believe you. So I found Dawkins interview particularly odd. Granted, a lot of people probably wouldn't listen to Dawkins because he's an atheist, but he certainly didn't do anyone any favors with his attitude. I was disappointed that by his crankiness he made it so easy for people to dismiss what he had to say.

I did agree, however, with this shot at Ann Coulter -- who is one of the nastiest writers on the market -- on Dawkins' site:
In her latest book Godless, Ann Coulter writes "I defy any of my coreligionists to tell me they do not laugh at the idea of Dawkins burning in hell." This section is dedicated to insanity such as this that finds its way to our inbox. When it goes beyond criticism and into Crazytown, we post it up here for all to see.
He was much more relaxed and convincing on The Colbert Report. It helps that Stephen Colbert is such a nut.

Wishing you an offensive Christmas

Twisted Sister recorded a Christmas album. Yes, you read that correctly. You can listen to the whole album, Twisted Christmas, on their site. There are all the old favorites, "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas," "Silver Bells," as well as "Heavy Metal Christmas." It's truly horrifying.

Via Pop Candy.

Sweet Mutts

22 October 2006

Some people deserve jail time

A Waukesha couple fought off a woman who entered their home in the middle of the night brandishing a metal pooper scooper and scissors, police Capt. Mike Babe said today.

The couple woke up about 4:40 a.m. Sunday when their small dog was barking in the kitchen. The female homeowner found the stranger in her kitchen, swinging the pooper scooper, threatening to kill them and kicking the dog, Babe said.

The female homeowner screamed and her husband then came into the kitchen.
The stranger struck the man in the head with the pooper scooper. He knocked it out of her hand and then noticed she had scissors.

The man struggled with the woman while his wife called police.

It took five police officers to subdue the 5-foot, 105-pound woman who was screaming threats that she was going to kill someone, Babe said.

Officers also repeatedly used a Taser on the woman, but it didn't stop her. Officers finally had to put their weight on the woman to take her into custody.

The couple said they did not know the Milwaukee woman, 47, who is expected to be charged in Waukesha County Circuit Court today, police said.

From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel via Reduce Idiocy.

20 October 2006

Beautiful nature

On the BBC site you can see the winners of the Shell Wildlife Photographer of the Year award. This photo won the top prize. It is a walrus eating clams on the sea floor. There were more than 18,000 entries from 55 countries in this year's competition.

18 October 2006


A couple of months back, the movie "Strangers with Candy" was released. One of the local stories about the movie was an interview with Amy Sedaris and included her recipe for vanilla cupcakes.

I tried these a few weeks ago. They are the best cupcakes ever. And I didn't even make the frosting. Sedaris also has a new book, I Like You: Hospitality Under the Influence. I'm sure that it is hilarious, yet oddly disturbing. Like most of her work.

Previous post
Interview on NPR

17 October 2006

Another look at the Middle East

Terry Gross, host of Fresh Air on NPR, is such a fabulous interviewer--particularly when she interviews authors. A recent guest was was Jeffrey Goldberg, a writer for The New Yorker. He has a new book that sounds fabulous: Prisoners: A Muslim & A Jew Across the Middle East Divide. Goldberg is an American who served in the Israeli Army and ended up as prison guard, guarding Palestinians. It traces his experiences from emigrating to Israel as a committed Zionist through his friendship with a Palestinian prisoner, Rafiq. A very good listen. Excerpt from chapter 1 here.


Look at the proud, middle-aged white guys surrounding the president. Such hypocrites. "Right to life" is just for pre-birth I guess. Once you're out of the womb, the government can do anything to you.

Bush signs law authorizing harsh interrogation

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush signed a law on Tuesday authorizing tough interrogation and prosecution of terrorism suspects and took an indirect, election-year swipe at Democrats who opposed the legislation.

Bush, trying to help Republicans maintain control of the U.S. Congress by emphasizing national security, called the Military Commissions Act of 2006 "one of the most important pieces of legislation in the war on terror."

Human rights groups charge that the measure would allow harsh techniques bordering on torture, such as sleep deprivation and induced hypothermia...

The American Civil Liberties Union expressed outrage, calling the new law "one of the worst civil liberties measures ever enacted in American history."

"Nothing separates America more from our enemies than our commitment to fairness and the rule of law, but the bill signed today is an historic break because it turns Guantanamo Bay and other U.S. facilities into legal no-man's-lands," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero.

Cub cam

There are five lion cubs, about nine weeks old, at the Hamburg's Hagenbeck Zoo. See the video or their coming out last week at Reuters. It's the sweetest thing in the world.

Mom is Tembesi. The cubs are Tawanga und her brothers Nibalo, Naju, Nawiri und Nelson.

What should they name the puppy?

My brother Steve's family got a puppy the day before yesterday. So far she doesn't have a name. I suggested an older name like Ethel or Hilma but now that I see her, I think she needs a much sweeter name.

16 October 2006


This photo says a lot about how my brothers and I interact. It's from Easter. My Mom has this rabbit and she puts Easter sweets in it. As you can see, there is a hand on the rabbit, in a "this is mine" kind of way. The hand belongs to my brother, Mike. Whenever we are together, particularly when my other brother, Steve, is around, we regress to our 10- or 12-year old selves. There is quite a bit of jostling, pushing of buttons, and often a headlock inflicted upon me.

Halloween on wheels

My cousin Joni sent me these photos. Her husband Tom was in Wisconsin over the weekend and spotted this Halloween on wheels. I think the mannequin heads are an especially nice touch.

Blood box

Cool promo piece for Australian Red Cross. Certainly grabs your attention! Via Brand Flakes for Breakfast. They also have a Cross Dress for Red Cross Day on Nov. 3. I love that idea but I really, really don't want to see that at my workplace.

15 October 2006

Ted Turner at the Press Club

Ted Turner, founder of CNN, has an ego as big as the former Soviet Union. But I do love what he's been doing lately with regard to the United Nations and philanthropy. He's an extremely successful businessman who is pushing others to make the world a better place.

He gave a very interesting talk at the National Press Club which was on Word for Word. He does say "aah" a lot which gets a tad annoying, but it's a good listen. In talking about the Iraq war he says that it doesn't make any sense to bomb people who hate you. It just makes them madder. "We can see in Iraq and even before that Vietnam, that war just isn't the way you get things done any more."


Nothing makes me feel more grown up, for better or worse, than buying an appliance. This weekend I bought a small freezer. I plan to fill it up with chili and soup so that weeknight meal time is easier. Cooking for one, especially after work, is such a pain. I do love to cook but only when I have time. This afternoon I started with chili and African chicken peanut soup. Yum! the smell combo while I was cooking, however, was rather odd.

13 October 2006

A lovely song

I'm really liking this song by James Morrison, You Give Me Something. He looks much younger than his voice sounds! (The video is from a Dutch TV show.)

Annoying song (Lied)

I like to listen to German or British radio via the Web. Lately I've been listening to Bayern 3. The same station I listened to when I was in Ingolstadt. Anyhow, some of the music is so annoying. And not much of it in German, either*. (But at least I get a little news in German. Must search for another Web radio station.) A particularly stupid song includes these lyrics: "I wish I were a punk rocker, with flowers in my hair." Aaaargh! Punks didn't wear flowers in their hair!

Reminds me of being in the theater district of London with my parents and godparents. It was the '80s and there were punks a-plenty. It was dark when we left the theater and there were punks everywhere. I'd been living in England for awhile and was used to seeing them and knew that, by and large, they're nonviolent. My parents did not know this. My Mom really freaked (ausflippen in German -- isn't that a funny word!). In retrospect her fear is funny.

*Although they are now playing Xavier Naidoo's "Danke," a song about the German WM (world cup team).

Smell and memory -- ick

From the Independent-London

Scents of the Seventies return as shoppers splash out on nostaglia

First the music was rehabilitated, then the fashions and recently even the food.

Now 1970s perfumes and aftershaves are making a comeback, as a new generation discovers the somewhat questionable joys of Charlie, Brut and Old Spice.

Sales of so-called "heritage scents" are increasing, particularly among younger customers, according to market research by the high- street chain Superdrug.

Long-forgotten fragrances are being revived as teenagers embrace all things retro in an effort to smell like their parents did three decades ago.
This is quite frightening. If I smell Love’s Baby Soft I will have a nasty flashback. And Old Spice? I hope I don’t have a full stomach. Read the rest of the story.

Reminded me of this Bizarro cartoon.

12 October 2006

Writer's block

I’m co-writing a story for a newsletter and am having the worst time at it. When I know something I assume that others do too. Unless it’s something kind of esoteric, like Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s twin sister’s name (Sabine) or his birthday (Feb. 4). As I write I keep thinking, “Everyone knows this. I am the queen of the bleeding obvious.”

CloEve and I are writing a piece that comes out of our presentation in Savannah last February. It’s about how to design a user-friendly Web site that meets your organizational goals. It's due in a couple of days. The parts I'm writing seem like the writing equivalent of: ball, 73, red, Czechoslovakia. Not really hanging together yet. [screech of frustration]

No torture, no secret prisons!

I've been writing letters to dictators and despots for years asking them to stop torturing, stop hiding people in jails. I knew the U.S. was up to plenty of nasties. I never would have guessed this.

Go to Amnesty International's page and sign the petition! Send it to your friends! Bother your elected officials! And vote on Nov. 7!

While you're at AI's site, write a letter to the president of Indonesia. For peacefully raising a flag, Filep Karma and Yusak Pakage may spend the next decade or more in prison. Need some back up for your letter? Check out the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, see 18-20 in particular. 30 Articles in the document and their all ours baby!

Der Spiegel

I usually don't do more than glance at Der Spiegel, the German news magazine. It's very tough reading for one of my skill level. (Horrifyingly, I find myself moving my lips when I read something difficult in German.) Here's the latest cover. The cover story is "Power and Lies: George W. Bush and the doomed war in Iraq."

I remember being England and Germany in the '80s. Looking back at the U.S. and thinking, "Wow, we're a bunch of bullies." It certainly turned my worldview upside down. I imagine that's even more so now.

Is it Spam?

I just received an invitation to join the "sexy babies waiting group" on MySpace. That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

Customer service rant

Goofy story from Inc. on the best and worst cities for customer service in the U.S. I wonder who wanted this information. Reminded me of recent bad and good experiences.

Warners' Stellian -- I'm looking for a small freezer. (der Tiefkuehlschrank in German, literally deep refrigerator.) I stopped at the appliance showroom on Snelling and Larpenteur after work. I wanted to get a freezer. I knew what I wanted, was pretty sure the price was good (and it was). The receptionist, who was on the phone, didn't look up when I walked in (or when I left, for that matter). I couldn't see any salespeople. I looked around and found the freezer area. Finally I snagged a salesperson and asked him a question about the freezer I was considering. He seemed very bothered by the question but answered me and began to walk away. When I asked him about delivery he told me, with disdain, the charge and then walked away. I walked out of the store. I was really tempted to tell the weasel off. "I have several older appliances which I will be replacing. It will not be with you."

Now Sports -- I stopped in after work. It's right next to the dry cleaner so it was a stop of convenience. I wanted to check on a stand that allows you to ride your outdoor bike inside (not around the house). The guy at the counter was on the phone and computer when I walked in. He did not acknowledge my presence. Neither did the two or three other employees. I found the stands but there wasn't any information tacked to them. No specs -- what size bike works, cost, etc. When the guy got off the phone I asked the price; the guy at the counter gave it to me and went back to what he was doing. Since there were no specs I didn't know quite how it would work. I got fed up and walked out.

Macy's -- I went to Macy's the other night after a facial. I was in yoga pants and a hooded sweatshirt (unlike the business dress I was in in the two examples above). I went to the Prescriptives counter to get some under-eye concealer. I wasn't sure on the tint so the salesperson tried them both on me. She didn't rush me, she told me about other specials and was nothing but nice and professional.

After I bought the concealer I went to the purse section. I looked around and finally decided on a happy-birthday-to-me purse. The salesperson was very cheery, talkative and shared a great purse find story.

I don't know how any of these people are compensated but it seems to me that good customer service pays off in the long run, whether you are commissioned or not.

11 October 2006


If it was Dec. 11 I'd say, "Oooh, pretty!" Today I do not. The photo was taken about 20 minutes ago and the snow is thankfully already gone.

Gift idea

Perfect for any child on your list, The Executive Coloring Book. Teach them early about the real world. Force them to aim high! Originally published in 1961, it's a frightening look at business. Just be sure they color in the lines. From mental_floss.

Fun with German

Yesterday's word of the day was die Pruefung (exam). The example sentence was "Er ist durch die Pruefung gesegelt." It means "He failed the exam." However, literally translated it means "He sailed through the exam," which means, in English, that he did well or had no trouble with the exam. It's like the German word das Gift. I like getting gifts in English. Not in German since the word means poison.

Another shot at Bush

Oh my. It's like a dream come true! Two writers from The Onion have written a biography of George W. Bush, Destined for Destiny. Listen to a preview at Audible. I'm likely to intersperse my laughter with sobs. Nice job with North Korea by the way.

08 October 2006

Blessing of the animals

On Friday I took Sophie to the Blessing of the Animals at United Seminary. My nervousness about her behavior was not unwarranted. She almost lost her mind. She was so terribly excited to be in a new place and meet new people. I don't think her tail stopped wagging the whole time we were there.

The service was short and lovely. They took the whole idea of companion animals very seriously. It was quite touching.

06 October 2006

Bush's job

Jon Stewart and the Daily Show are brilliant at intelligently skewering the president. Don't be drinking liquids when you view this one.

Part two here.

Sweet little video

This is such a sweet video.


Today's DailyOM is quite thought provoking:

Since human timetables quite often do not correspond with universal timetables, it's common for people to feel that life is progressing too slowly or too quickly. We draft carefully composed plans only to find that they fall into place when we least expect. Or, conversely, we are thrust into roles we believe we are not prepared for and wonder how we will survive the demands imposed upon us by unfamiliar circumstances. When delays in our progress kindle pangs of disappointment within us or the pace of life seems overwhelming, peace can be found in the simple fact that we are exactly where we need to be at this moment...

Read the rest here.

Fall colors

A lovely time in Alexandria last weekend. The colors were gorgeous! Such a lovely time of year. Sophie always enjoys the low windows.

05 October 2006

Kids on the phone

Today I called my nephew to thank him for the sweet note he sent me. (He's 6 and I had sent him some things for school.) After we had chatted awhile his phone started making a funny noise. Cale said the battery was going to run out so we had to stop talking. I told him I'd call him in a day or so to check on his knee. This followed:

Cale: Tomorrow?
Me: OK, I'll call you tomorrow.
Cale: Call at 3:30.
Me: Is that when you get home from school?
Cale: I think so. But if I'm not home you can call my Mom and get the number to the school and you can call me there. They'll get on the intercom.
Me: I hate to bother you at school. I know you're really busy.
Cale: It's OK, they use the intercom all the time.


From Iconowatch:
SquidSoap trains tomorrow's hand washers
  • Parents say, "Wash your hands!" Kids say, "I did!" SquidSoap may be a step closer to the truth. Designed to teach "healthy hand-washing habits," the SquidSoap dispenser has a trick up its pump.
  • When germy little hands press down, the dispenser stamps a kid-safe ink spot on their skin. The spot disappears after about 15-20 seconds of hand washing, the minimum time recommended for maximum germ removal. When the spot's gone, hands are clean.
Full story. Although I do well at hand washing, I would like that squid bottle. Buy the soap or watch a cheesy video here.

04 October 2006

Crazy person on the bus

Joseph Scrimshaw now has a blog, Crazy Person on the Bus. The Scrimshaw Brothers' shows are the best and funniest I've seen at the Fringe. How could you not like a group whose show titles include "Look Ma, No Pants," "Shut Your Joke Hole" and "Adventures in Mating"? Sadly, I did not make it to any Fringe shows this year. Pure madness. I'll need to make up for it next year.

Belly dancing lesson #2

I'’m finding belly dancing class a bit like geometry. Each week we build on what we learned the week prior. But if you didn't really cement last week's knowledge -- my story in both realms -- you'll have a bit of trouble with the new skills heaped on top of it.

Last night we learned '‘snake arms.'’ It looks so easy. Elbow, wrist, hand. Elbow, wrist, hand. And again, the great Middle Eastern music. We were practicing away and then the teacher had us traipse across the room in pairs so she could watch our form. And we could check our form in the big mirrors. Think of what Frankenstein'’s monster would look like doing snake arms. That'’s what it looked like. And it felt that way, too. On the isolations it'’s much easier to delude yourself into thinking you are a natural, or at the least not completely silly. Not so with the arms. That intentional flailing about reminded me of a quote from Sarah Vowell. "I moved through time and space with the grace and confidence of a puppy walking on a beach ball." (Listen to Sarah's marching band essay on This American Life episode 104, about 22 minutes into the show.)

Good vs. great

I'm addicted to marketing and communication blogs. I get cool ideas from so many smart people. The latest is Cameron Moll's presentation on good vs. great Web design. You can hear and view his presentation on his blog. Unfortunately, no picture of the kids' hair incident.

Time flies for everyone

This happens to me all the time. It's funny to think that it might happen to a cat, or dog.

Mooch's obsession with his little pink sock makes me smile. Silly cat.
From Mutts.

03 October 2006

Sommermaerchen, Summer fairytale

On Julia's blog I learned about this fabulous film that opens in Germany this week! It's about the German national team's rise to the World Cup and is called Sommermaerchen (Summer Fairytale). How true. Please, oh please, come to the U.S.!

The clip is great. (You have to wait a bit for the announcers to intro it.) I love how the German soldiers give the wave to the German team bus as it goes by, and someone waking up a player, who looks like Lukas Podolski, by enticing him with Paprika chips.

Tag der deutschen Einheit

Today is a holiday in Germany -- Tag der Deutschen Einheit, German Unity Day. A celebration of German reunification in 1989. I remember seeing people on the top of the Berlin Wall on the news. I was elated and astounded. Just a year before I had been there and left thinking, this will never change. There will always be an East Germany, a communist Czechoslovakia, a USSR, etc.

If you're a listener to German radio, you will likely have a treat today. More German artists and songs than normal. Yay!

02 October 2006

More meat accessories for the home

I read about these lovely plush toys on Angus Whines. These and more at Sweet Meats Plush Toys. "Hand me the pork shoulder pillow, will you?" I wonder if they smell like what they look like. Now that would be horrific.